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This Sucks: Milwaukee's inferiority complex with Chicago
 
By Heather Leszczewicz
Special to OnMilwaukee.com

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Published March 6, 2007 at 5:35 a.m.
Tags: this sucks, illinois, door county, fibs

Face it, we all have things we love and hate about Milwaukee. But, complaining and focusing on the negative leads nowhere. So, in the latest edition of this column we highlight an issue that we think needs to be addressed, discussed and solved. Every "This Sucks" feature tells you why we think something sucks, offers commentary, opinions, solutions and, of course, gives you the chance to weigh in through our exclusive talkback feature.

What sucks: Regional squabbles are nothing new. Plenty of states and cities share a border with animosity: Ohio and Michigan, New York and New Jersey. For us, it's the raging battle between Wisconsin and Illinois.

Really, it's more of a Wisconsin versus Chicago matter, since just about all of Northern Illinois is either Chicago or a suburb of Chicago.

This rivalry, and all the anger that comes with it, derives from several factors -- the most perplexing of which is Milwaukee's unnecessary inferiority complex to our neighbors to the south.

Why it sucks: It's pointless to even compare the two cities, and the only reason anyone would is because of their proximity.

Put Chicago and Milwaukee into perspective. According to the 2005 U.S. Census, more than 2.8 million people live in Chicago. About 580,000 people live in City of Milwaukee -- a five to one ratio. If you include metro areas, both numbers are much higher. Geographically, Chicago covers more than twice the area of Milwaukee.

Plenty of people say that the Brew City needs to act more like the Windy City. But why? Instead, can't we celebrate our differences?

Milwaukee's Fourth District Ald. Robert Bauman, who was born on the North Side of Chicago, says that he hasn't experienced the rivalry to the extent of others and has never quite understood it.

"I don't think there is a rivalry. I would like to see a strong alliance, to be honest. The cities are so different in size and I think Milwaukee, to think we're in competition with Chicago, would be unwise," says Bauman. "We should be looking toward building bridges with cities like Chicago."

Doug Neilson, president and CEO of Visit Milwaukee, says Milwaukee shouldn't try to be something it's not.

"We have a uniqueness that Chicago doesn't have. We are a large city with a small town feel," says Neilson. "(You) get amenities without the hassles of a big city. The Riverwalk, the art museum, Discovery World, the arts and cultural scene here, all of those things. Those are a lot of things people used to go to Chicago for and don't have to."

Stacie Callies, executive director of the Westown Association, says that the competition between Chicago and Milwaukee dates back to when the cities were first growing. Chicago developed faster than Milwaukee and the animosity spawned from that competition. However, she agrees that the rivalry is more inferiority complex than animosity.

"I think Milwaukeeans tend to think Chicago has more to offer. I don't think it's the case," says Callies. "We have our own points of interest that we can promote. I think we're unique in our history and our development and we have a lot of things to promote that we don't."

Residents of both states joke back and forth, but a few specific issues really get people riled up: driving, football and Chicagoans' attitude toward vacationing in Wisconsin (or Wisconsinites' attitude toward Chicagoans vacationing in Wisconsin).

"The perception is that Illinois drivers in Wisconsin drive fast, aggressively and reckless; I have seen many examples of this, but I realize it is not true of most people," says Nick Mischo, a University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee student and Fond du Lac native.

"(Also), Wisconsin residents feel as if Illinois people are infringing upon their 'space.' Many people from Illinois have summer cabins in Northern Wisconsin, and people feel that they don't belong there."

Marquette University student and St. Charles, Ill. resident, Amanda Sheaffer agrees with Mischo on the driving issue, but also points to sports rivalries.

"I think a lot of animosity stems from two things, football and driving," Sheaffer says. "Packers and Bears fans hate each other. Illinoisans hate Wisconsin drivers because they drive slow; Wisconsinites hate Illinoisans because we drive fast and have toll roads."

According to Dean Amhaus, president of the Spirit of Milwaukee, the rivalry has been around forever, but he doesn't think there's much behind it.

"It could be a sports thing, a loyalty between fans and a pride that exists."

But maybe this animosity is more focused one-way toward Illinois. The Chicago Office of Tourism doesn't seem to think there is a rivalry, except on a sports level.

"We are not aware of a rivalry between Chicago and Milwaukee... perhaps you are referring to a rivalry between the Milwaukee Brewers and the Chicago Cubs," says Elizabeth Walasin Lulla, of the Chicago Office of Tourism Public Relations.

But, look at the nicknames being tossed back and forth.

According to Wisconsinites, Illinoisans are "F.I.B.s" and "F.I.S.H."

In case you didn't know, those stand for "f*cking Illinois bastards" and "f*cking Illinois sh*theads" -- harsh words, indeed. In return, Wisconsinites get off pretty easy with the lazy, harmless "cheesehead" tag.

Neilson says that he hopes these kind of nicknames won't endure.

"We have our own niche here; we have our own strengths that we can be proud of," Neilson says. "Chicago is a major destination, an international destination. Milwaukee is one city that is trying to compete as a destination. There's rivalry in tourism dollars, and in our business, there are numerous times where we do compete with each other. We're trying to attract as many people here as Chicago."

It's true that Milwaukee and Wisconsin can appear lacking in some areas in an unbalanced comparison with Chicago, but the nuances and little things make a city unique and worth visiting.

Amhaus believes that Milwaukee's level of appreciation should grow because of what it does have.

"Chicago has a lot of other things that Milwaukee doesn't have, and Milwaukee has things that Chicago doesn't have," he says. "In the past, Chicago has had it all and there's been a realization that we have it here in Milwaukee. We have great restaurants, great arts, living and working Downtown. We have an easy time getting around, no traffic problem."

People come from all over and are surprised by what Milwaukee has to offer, Callies says.

"A lot of the civic leaders are trying to promote Milwaukee for its own merits," she says. "For most people, summers in Milwaukee can't be compared to anything in the world. I don't think, necessarily, Chicago can say the same."

Bauman says that rather than fostering animosity, Milwaukee should look to build bridges with cities like Chicago.

"Chicago has become an international city in the last 20 to 25 years," he says. "It's the center for economic activity in the Midwest, and we should tap into that growth as much as possible."

And a lot of people living in Milwaukee come from northern Illinois, too.

"We certainly have a lot to offer here but not the huge expense of a large city. This is why you are finding a lot of people from Chicago are coming to Milwaukee," Neilson says. "You are finding people from Chicago buying condominiums here. They don't have to sacrifice rich cultural experience they can get it here."

Of course, Milwaukee colleges are teeming with Chicago students, too. Marquette University reports that a third of the student body is from Illinois, which averages out to more than 2,000 students. Seven percent of students at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee are from out-of-state, including Illinois.

"I honestly believe the two communities -- Chicago and Milwaukee -- we need each other. We actually benefit from each other," says Amhaus. "We need Chicago and Chicago needs Milwaukee. Will there be a rival when the Cubs come into Milwaukee? That's healthy, that's OK."

What you can do to make it not suck: Be proud of your city, but appreciate what you can gain by understanding the world around you. That means actually going to Chicago, visiting its museums, dining in its restaurants and taking in its culture. You're not a traitor for enjoying another city.

Hey, competition is healthy, but taking it to extremes isn't.

So keep the sports rivalries clean. You don't have to like the Bears, just don't take the ribbing too far -- it just makes you look ignorant and, frankly, like a cheesehead. If you must call someone a F.I.B., make sure it's tongue-in-cheek.

As for the Brewers and Cubs, ticket prices already get bumped up for those games at Miller Park, so getting the Illinoisans to pay more is good enough. Get tickets early if you want to get into the stadium. The Brewers shouldn't need to stage a "Take Back Miller Park" campaign anymore.

Driving skills, of course, depend on the driver. Get mellow when you get behind the wheel and enjoy the politeness of the Wisconsin driver. Also, enjoy your license to speed south of the border (but don't blame us if you get stopped!).

As for the Illinois tolls, it's something that people in Illinois have to deal with, too, and on a daily basis. Wisconsinites who don't work in Illinois only have to deal with it once in a while. Feel sorry for those that deal with rush hours that make the Marquette Interchange look like the Milwaukee Mile.

"Encroaching" on space is something that can't -- and shouldn't -- be controlled. Really, it's a compliment that Chicagoans move up north because there's something they can't get in Illinois. But if you want to do something, buy a condo in Door County, don't just complain about how Egg Harbor is owned by Chicago.

After all, tourist dollars are important to Wisconsin's economy. People from Illinois help keep Wisconsin Dells and Door County in business. These dollars also are imporatant to Milwaukee's economy with Chicago residents shopping in Downtown neighborhoods and attending our cultural and sports events.

Instead of focusing on the negatives, tell people about Milwaukee and all it has to offer (or just send them to OnMilwaukee.com).

Says Neilson, "We should be shouting how great Milwaukee is, telling people how great it is here."

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Posted by taj on Nov. 27, 2009 at 8:06 p.m. (report)

A student from Illinois does not get to speak for all of Milwaukee or Wisconsin. I have no inferioirty complex and the majority do not. We know we got it good. Perhaps she has some inferiority complex about NewYork or L.A? People who live in Milwaukee enjoy it-- the low traffic, the abundance of great eats, and all the things to do.Sorry. Just because you had a spat with your dorm room friends is no reason to lable an entire city as having a complex.

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Posted by mcdoogs on March 18, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (report)

'One more talk back for you all: Mayor Daley has balls, big ideas and gets stuff done.' What is he accomplishing? Ripping off his own citizens? $25 to park in some areas of Chicago. Taxes so high that entire suburbs want to concede from Cook County. Residents fleeing in droves. Milwaukee is growing at the pace of a city of 500,000 people. Nothing wring with that. Actually, Milwaukee probabaly supports alot more than it should.

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Posted by illwauk on Aug. 3, 2007 at 9:00 a.m. (report)

The person the writer chose to speak on behalf of Milwaukee is a UWM student from upstate. That's all you need to know about the credibility of this article...

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Posted by ChicagoCarless on March 13, 2007 at 12:11 a.m. (report)

As a four-year Chicago transplant originally from New York City, I really appreciated this post. When I moved to Chicago from NYC, everyone in Gotham was aghast that I would do such a thing. Meanwhile, everyone in Chicago constantly asked me what I missed from New York (which is nothing--I love Chicago hands down, a far more livable and amiable metropolis than was my hometown). Point being, in any alleged "rivalry" between two cities of greatly differing sizes, it's never really a competition. Residents of the smaller city always seems to express a usually baseless inferiority complex, fearing that their city will always lose out in the eyes of outside observers when compared with their larger neighbor. Meanwhile, residents of the larger city rarely even have the smaller city on their radar screens or are woefully misinformed about out, much less ever even ponder the existence of some rivalrous relationship. Chicagoans always fear New York is better. Milwaukee residents resent the sparkle of Chicago. San Franciscans never miss a beat crowing about how much better their foodie scene and street life are versus L.A. And you know what? In return, New Yorkers never even think of Chicago, Chicagoans never consider Milwaukee, and Angelenos shake their heads at San Francisco. Maybe it's better that way. I always say if New Yorkers ever really clued into how great Chicago is, they'd (oh , Lord) actually come here and maybe even stay. And then we'd be the crowded, expensive, and rude city I left behind in 2003. If Milwaukee isn't usually at the front of the mind of most Chicagoans, so what? Maybe that helps keep Milwaukee more real. And there are plenty of us down here in Chicago who love visiting your town and respect it, too. (For one thing, do you have any idea how much Chicago idolizes the many fine, old downtown buildings you guys have still got, that for the most part Chicago tore down wholesale, decades ago?) Of course, you could stand to kick your politicians into gear and get your much-talked-about light rail system finally built (the whole idea that people wouldn't ride it in the winter is so laughable--hello, Mr. Mayor, Milwaukee doesn't stop riding the BUS in the winter), but I digress. I guess what Im trying to see, in as friendly a manner as possible, is the same thing I say to Chicagoans who always ask me if I like New York better (sure, that's why I'm living here), and that's: get over it! The rivalry is in your head. You have a wonderful, hard-working, fun-to-visit city that doesn't need comparison with anywhere else (well, except in the aforementioned transit department), least of all Chicago. You keep visiting down here, I'll keep visiting up there. Maybe once in a while we can meet in the middle at Mar's for a brat and a bag of squeakers.

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Posted by mcdoogs on March 12, 2007 at 5:19 a.m. (report)

I live in Kenosha, almost in the exact middle betwen the two cities. One of my older brothers has lived in Milwaukee all his life, and he never had anything bad to say about Chicago other than he hated the traffic... and the Cubs. Both my parents are from Wisconsin, and they did not raise us to hate people from Illinois, as someone suggested. And we probably encounter "Illinesians" alot more than people from Milwaukee since we are right by the border. My wife is from Chicago and all of her family is too. My personal experience goes like this: Other than Bears/Packers-I was clueless about any IL/WI "rivalry" until I got a little older and out of high school. My wife says the same. This supposed "rivalry" is something that immature adults (not kids) latch on to, to make themselves seem more interesting or important. My wife and I and my four year old daughter all realize that the slow or fast drivers are on both sides of the "cheddar curtain" as we call it. It is an invisible line, and to think that bad driving exists more on one side or the other is just childish. As for the cities, there should not be any inferiority complex with Milwaukee, or superiority complex with Chicago. And believe me, both do exist. We see it every single day. But luckily, there are those who see beyond all the bullsh*t, and just enjoy the two cities for what they have. Milwaukee has really grown as far as nightlife and restauarants in the last ten years and have also added some new state of the art facilities. Summerfest is the WORLDS largest music festival. And thank god you don't have to sit in traffic or ride a train for 40% of your working life. And Chicago is great too, great restaurants, nice lakefront, good sports town. If my wife and I can coexist as cheesehead and FIB, I think everone else might try to grow up a little.

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